1 00:00:12,370 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:12,380 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:30,510 the colors 4 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:33,100 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:37,570 episode number 427 for the 25th I've 6 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:40,930 December 2016 let's sound you can hear 7 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:42,700 in the background that's the sea lions 8 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:46,480 the famous see lines at pier 39 in San 9 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:48,640 Francisco I'm here in the bay area at 10 00:00:53,670 --> 00:00:51,129 the moment enjoying a nice cool crispy 11 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:53,680 Christmas and if you're listening in 12 00:00:58,140 --> 00:00:55,390 Australia it's Christmas Day if you've 13 00:01:00,060 --> 00:00:58,150 downloaded this straight away if you're 14 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:00,070 listening in North America then that 15 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,489 part of the world it's Christmas Eve and 16 00:01:07,620 --> 00:01:05,680 if you're listening from somewhere else 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:07,630 in the world who knows what it is but 18 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:09,450 welcome to the skeptic zone nevertheless 19 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:12,119 Richard Saunders here with you the 20 00:01:17,490 --> 00:01:14,830 producer of the skeptic zone one of the 21 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:17,500 hosts merry Christmas to Stefan the 22 00:01:22,230 --> 00:01:19,750 other co-host of the skeptics out who 23 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:22,240 periodically drops by to do an 24 00:01:26,820 --> 00:01:25,060 introduction coming up on this week's 25 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:26,830 episode of the skeptics out I'm going to 26 00:01:31,350 --> 00:01:28,720 kick off with an interview I did in New 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Zealand of the recent New Zealand 28 00:01:35,609 --> 00:01:33,490 skeptics conference with a very old 29 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:35,619 friend of mine Loretta Marin also known 30 00:01:40,919 --> 00:01:38,140 as the jellybean lady jellybean lady 31 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:40,929 because when she was really starting out 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:44,140 in her quest to fight quackery she was 33 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:48,450 using chili beans instead of homeopathy 34 00:01:53,490 --> 00:01:51,880 well they both made out of sugar anyway 35 00:01:55,380 --> 00:01:53,500 she got to be known as the jellybean 36 00:01:56,910 --> 00:01:55,390 lady she used to tape a jellybean to her 37 00:01:59,609 --> 00:01:56,920 head and say it was just as good as 38 00:02:02,430 --> 00:01:59,619 magnetic therapy in the in the early 39 00:02:04,949 --> 00:02:02,440 days early days about ten years ago I 40 00:02:07,139 --> 00:02:04,959 suppose anyway Loretta was in New 41 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:07,149 Zealand for the skeptics conference 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:10,720 there and i chat to her about friends of 43 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:13,330 science and medicine which stagger me is 44 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:16,420 five years old one of the organizations 45 00:02:20,339 --> 00:02:18,280 we like to support here the skeptic zone 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:20,349 friends of science and medicine find out 47 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:23,290 more with Loretta Marin then after the 48 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:25,720 break we have an interview with michael 49 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:28,140 marshall from the Merseyside skeptics 50 00:02:33,470 --> 00:02:31,000 conducted by our answer give as part of 51 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:33,480 his ongoing series of interviews from 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:36,930 QED a couple of months ago in Manchester 53 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:40,570 so Iran catches up with Marsh just 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:44,050 before QED and marsh is all optimist 55 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:47,170 full of energy and ready to go then he 56 00:02:53,010 --> 00:02:50,740 catches up with Marsh after QED and not 57 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:53,020 only Marshall Nicola throw up as well 58 00:02:57,540 --> 00:02:55,360 and Jeff Weiland from the organizing 59 00:02:59,550 --> 00:02:57,550 committee and we'll discover how they 60 00:03:02,040 --> 00:02:59,560 feel after QED now this is an 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:02,050 interesting lesson for anybody wanting 62 00:03:07,890 --> 00:03:04,090 to put on a convention or a conference 63 00:03:10,530 --> 00:03:07,900 listen carefully to what Marsh Nick and 64 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:10,540 Jeff say about the convention how it 65 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:12,220 went what they did right what they did 66 00:03:19,170 --> 00:03:16,150 wrong it's a invaluable little insight 67 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:19,180 into conducting holding conferences and 68 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:21,760 conventions that's coming up in the 69 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:24,010 middle of the show then to round off the 70 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:26,080 show what would the skeptic zone be 71 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:28,660 without Leonard I'm not sure I want to 72 00:03:33,690 --> 00:03:31,390 find out it's a Merry Christmas a very 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:33,700 Maynard Christmas in fact from Maynard I 74 00:03:37,710 --> 00:03:35,650 catch up with Maynard well a couple of 75 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:37,720 weeks ago in our favorite cafe at glebe 76 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:40,120 in believe in Sydney cleave Point Road 77 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:44,500 the cafe known as Madame frou frou where 78 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:46,510 we often meet up to discuss skeptical 79 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:49,540 matters and other things anyway Maynard 80 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:52,180 and I get together to wish you all happy 81 00:03:57,540 --> 00:03:55,660 Christmas sort of in a way kinda and 82 00:03:59,610 --> 00:03:57,550 don't forget to check out Maenads 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:03:59,620 podcasts at me not come today you he's 84 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:02,050 got a string of them he's put out in 85 00:04:08,070 --> 00:04:04,630 time for Christmas that's enough of me 86 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:08,080 right now I'm going to run upstairs I'm 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:09,550 gonna run upstairs it's Christmas Eve 88 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:11,170 here but I think there's a roast chicken 89 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:14,680 a roast chicken if I'm lucky and maybe 90 00:04:19,979 --> 00:04:17,500 some cashew nuts and peanuts which I 91 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:19,989 love some roast potatoes you know the 92 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:21,730 sort of thing folks wherever you are in 93 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:23,710 the world dig into your Christmas dinner 94 00:04:26,650 --> 00:04:26,260 and enjoy this episode of the skeptic 95 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:26,660 zone 96 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:47,860 [Music] 97 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:50,960 well I don't think my next guest has 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:52,250 been on the skeptic zone for a little 99 00:04:58,990 --> 00:04:56,930 while which is a pity it's a woman we 100 00:05:01,120 --> 00:04:59,000 all know is the jelly bean lady Loretta 101 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:01,130 Marin hello hello how are you Richard 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:03,770 I'm well I'm excited I'm really happy to 103 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:05,450 be here at the New Zealand skeptics 104 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:10,250 conference in beautiful queenstown sort 105 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:12,470 of area and say it doesn't get any 106 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:14,950 better absolutely beautiful venue 107 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:17,090 spectacular we were sitting in a couple 108 00:05:20,050 --> 00:05:18,560 of years that the meet and greets 109 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:20,060 happening in the next time we we gaze 110 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:22,160 out the door the glass doors and look at 111 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:23,870 that view the mountains it's just 112 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:25,850 incredible yes it's all Lord of the 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:27,590 Rings country they tell it has to be 114 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:30,410 said it has to kick I was thinking I 115 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:32,030 wouldn't say it but it has to be said 116 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:33,770 there's a lot of other movies as well a 117 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:35,270 lot of other movies as well yeah yeah 118 00:05:39,250 --> 00:05:37,730 Wolverine I think Nadia the whole lot 119 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:39,260 they're all somewhere out there in these 120 00:05:43,930 --> 00:05:41,840 fabulous men's Xena Warrior Princess I'm 121 00:05:45,790 --> 00:05:43,940 sure Oh most definitely hear ya that was 122 00:05:48,340 --> 00:05:45,800 that was filmed here are Spartacus the 123 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:48,350 TV series was filmed to you there's a 124 00:05:53,590 --> 00:05:50,720 new documentary on ancient Rome filmed 125 00:05:56,110 --> 00:05:53,600 here oh wow yeah all happening here in 126 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:56,120 New Zealand folks cut the good let's 127 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:57,770 talk about friends of science and 128 00:06:01,960 --> 00:05:59,090 medicine and you told me something which 129 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:01,970 nearly made me fall off my shoes five 130 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:04,250 years old five years old on december 131 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:06,680 twenty amazing isn't it I wouldn't have 132 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:09,320 get well the years go by and if I had to 133 00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:10,550 think I would have said oh it's been 134 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:12,620 around for three years at least but five 135 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:15,470 yes we've been pretty busy in that time 136 00:06:20,860 --> 00:06:18,410 and time does fly when you're taking on 137 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:20,870 all sorts of interesting people it does 138 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:23,030 now for those listeners who are maybe 139 00:06:26,530 --> 00:06:25,310 new and haven't caught up with friends 140 00:06:29,470 --> 00:06:26,540 of science and medicine what's it all 141 00:06:32,170 --> 00:06:29,480 about it's about making sure that 142 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:32,180 medicine has your interventions that 143 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:33,680 you're offered by your health 144 00:06:37,420 --> 00:06:35,120 practitioner are backed by credible 145 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:37,430 evidence and that's currently not the 146 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:39,500 case when it comes to chiropractors 147 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:41,910 osteopath Chinese medicine 148 00:06:47,330 --> 00:06:44,820 and of course naturopaths homeopath the 149 00:06:50,090 --> 00:06:47,340 list goes on kinesiologist reflexologist 150 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:50,100 raki back and on and on there's about a 151 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:52,230 thousand different interventions that it 152 00:06:57,740 --> 00:06:55,440 currently published on some website I'm 153 00:07:00,650 --> 00:06:57,750 sure that you know they'll be at a 154 00:07:02,330 --> 00:07:00,660 naturopath near you there is there's a 155 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:02,340 matter of fact there is but what do you 156 00:07:06,020 --> 00:07:03,750 think would be the largest slice of that 157 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:06,030 pie would it be chiropractors the work 158 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:08,580 that we've been doing is is primarily 159 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:10,560 chiropractors targeting babies and 160 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:12,900 children that's been our thrust because 161 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:15,660 our issue is that the law or the way the 162 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:18,360 regulator is operating is not effective 163 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:20,870 every time you send in a complaint a 164 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:24,300 legal eagle has to set up a paper for 165 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:26,940 them well currently they're looking at 166 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:30,930 at least 650 complaints as of last month 167 00:07:35,540 --> 00:07:33,270 and then we handed them another 200 for 168 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:35,550 osteopaths who are also targeting babies 169 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:37,530 and children now tell me something about 170 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:39,750 osteopaths I mean we've concentrate so 171 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:41,430 much on chiropractic in the scheduler 172 00:07:45,290 --> 00:07:42,960 community that the osteopath summer 173 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:45,300 sometimes go under the radar a bit 174 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:48,150 what's their story well osteopathy in 175 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:50,250 itself is quite often it's gentle 176 00:07:54,590 --> 00:07:52,020 message it's not cracking your neck or 177 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:54,600 cracking your back and then generally 178 00:07:59,060 --> 00:07:56,430 not anti-vaccine but they've got these 179 00:08:01,520 --> 00:07:59,070 really weird and wonderful interventions 180 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:01,530 called cranial osteopathy one of them 181 00:08:06,290 --> 00:08:03,510 which is heavily promoted from a college 182 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:06,300 here in New Zealand and what they do is 183 00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:08,730 they put slight pressure on the baby's 184 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:11,280 head to move their skull bones which 185 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:13,830 they claim moves their spinal fluid 186 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:16,380 around their spine and choose them if 187 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:18,180 guess what ADHD asthma allergies 188 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:20,760 bedwetting colic an ear infection that's 189 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:23,280 right we've heard this all before yes 190 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:25,800 right every profession says to come out 191 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,930 with the same self limiting conditions 192 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:30,240 with their own intervention to target 193 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:32,010 them they've also got another weird one 194 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:34,200 called visceral manipulation where they 195 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:36,410 claim they squash all your innards 196 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:39,060 externally do that to cheer quite a lot 197 00:08:42,529 --> 00:08:41,310 of of health conditions but we haven't 198 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:42,539 looked at that one because that's 199 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:44,670 primarily adults but the big one is the 200 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:46,860 one where they target the newborn babies 201 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:49,950 and the children that's staggering yes 202 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:51,250 oh no I have not 203 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:52,930 heard too much about them because I 204 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:54,640 think as I said the chiropractor sort of 205 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:56,560 take the limelight oh they do but what 206 00:08:59,790 --> 00:08:57,910 we're being helped with there are quite 207 00:09:02,820 --> 00:08:59,800 a few good chiropractors who just do 208 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:02,830 backs and osteopath sue just do massage 209 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:04,840 type things and they're actually out 210 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:07,120 there helping us stopping in their mates 211 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:08,560 which is really and they can't they 212 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:10,420 can't actually named themselves because 213 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:12,670 they'll be so ostracized from within 214 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:14,830 their own professions and that's what we 215 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:16,690 need we need chiropractors to take on 216 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:18,640 chiropractors and osteopath to take on 217 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:20,710 osteopath but the numbers that are 218 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:23,020 evidence-based few and far between and 219 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:25,450 in reality there's not a lot of evidence 220 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:28,060 to support any chiropractic intervention 221 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:30,490 but at least for some people they do get 222 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:33,640 some relief from spinal manipulation but 223 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:36,010 not what they're claiming but still yes 224 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:38,890 well I mean your audio perhaps have the 225 00:09:43,170 --> 00:09:41,710 same relief system with the the energies 226 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:43,180 in the body in this sort of thing and 227 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:45,280 not so much just the cranial osteopathy 228 00:09:50,010 --> 00:09:47,470 is just something they come out of 229 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:50,020 university and then you know doing quite 230 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:52,270 a good job and then of course they go 231 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:53,500 out into the world and they can make a 232 00:09:56,610 --> 00:09:55,330 lot of money targeting babies and 233 00:09:58,950 --> 00:09:56,620 children and that's what happens it's 234 00:10:00,780 --> 00:09:58,960 all about the money the worst thing is 235 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:00,790 that these courses they get professional 236 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:02,320 development hours in attending these 237 00:10:07,079 --> 00:10:05,380 courses and although lately I've seen 238 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:07,089 the few less courses being advertised 239 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:08,980 because as soon as are advertised I send 240 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:10,510 them straight to the Australian health 241 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:13,450 practitioners regulation agency in fact 242 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:15,610 we've had now between us seven meetings 243 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:18,880 with APRA and and it's having an effect 244 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:21,490 and friends designs and medicine have 245 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:23,410 their enemies don't they oh we certainly 246 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:25,630 do I think they'd be quite if you like 247 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:27,250 to run this down or whatever it is but 248 00:10:31,410 --> 00:10:29,260 the problem is all we ask for is 249 00:10:33,510 --> 00:10:31,420 evidence and they can't produce evidence 250 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:33,520 so they go on the personal attacks 251 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:36,880 that's right so in the mind of some of 252 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:40,120 these people you must be just 253 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:42,670 non-believing troublemakers oi do they 254 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:44,710 think you're from big farmer or what's 255 00:10:48,810 --> 00:10:47,050 their story well that is a funny one to 256 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:48,820 their sometimes they say we're from Big 257 00:10:52,019 --> 00:10:50,529 Pharma we're funded by Big Pharma now 258 00:10:54,090 --> 00:10:52,029 you know the only money we've ever got 259 00:10:56,340 --> 00:10:54,100 from the skeptics about five years ago 260 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:56,350 three thousand dollars and I spent a 261 00:11:00,630 --> 00:10:58,480 thousand of it only four because we want 262 00:11:02,430 --> 00:11:00,640 to get a new website so we haven't 263 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:02,440 actually touched that we're self-funded 264 00:11:07,019 --> 00:11:05,830 yeah I got an email from someone saying 265 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:07,029 they're going to da bus into the 266 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:08,950 charities and I said I'm sorry we're not 267 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:10,540 a charity then they said you're using 268 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:12,640 students and shrill and I said I'm sorry 269 00:11:18,269 --> 00:11:14,890 but the people that run Facebook are not 270 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:18,279 paid so then they had to go me they said 271 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:19,750 I was pretending to be a doctor and I 272 00:11:23,430 --> 00:11:21,370 said that was the case the professors 273 00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:23,440 would shoot me because that's the one 274 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:25,990 thing that I've never tried to pretend 275 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:27,700 this to be a medical practitioner but 276 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:29,920 it's what you say is very interesting 277 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:32,980 and it just drives home again what we 278 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:35,110 know they would rather spend their 279 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:37,150 energies attacking you or making up 280 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:39,730 these stories or whatever rather than 281 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:41,830 produce evidence that's exactly right 282 00:11:45,510 --> 00:11:44,110 they don't want to amid you look at how 283 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:45,520 much research is being done by 284 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:48,310 chiropractic an osteopath e it's very 285 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:50,830 very little and if it is research it's 286 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:53,920 normally about patient contentment or 287 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:56,350 growth of chiropractic in the country 288 00:12:00,180 --> 00:11:57,850 it's not about whether a particular 289 00:12:02,010 --> 00:12:00,190 intervention works although a couple 290 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:02,020 have come out recently that actually 291 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:04,300 failed to produce results so it's no 292 00:12:08,579 --> 00:12:05,980 wonder they don't want solid evidence 293 00:12:09,870 --> 00:12:08,589 here but and it would be this the old 294 00:12:12,390 --> 00:12:09,880 story of course that many of the 295 00:12:13,769 --> 00:12:12,400 chiropractors firmly believe what 296 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:13,779 they're doing of course without doubt 297 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:15,100 and many of their patients firmly 298 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:16,600 believe that it works without that 299 00:12:21,329 --> 00:12:19,000 people when they're in pain and they go 300 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:21,339 to a chiropractor and the chiropractor 301 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:22,870 is in soothing words they get the 302 00:12:27,390 --> 00:12:26,110 placebo effect and and if they they form 303 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:27,400 a relationship these are very nice 304 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:29,260 people it's like naturopaths you meet 305 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:30,730 them and you think these are very nice 306 00:12:34,949 --> 00:12:33,640 people it's not surprising that the 307 00:12:36,750 --> 00:12:34,959 people get on well with them and also 308 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:36,760 they make promises their doctors don't 309 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:38,920 prompt doctors will just tell you the 310 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:40,810 truth these people will lead you to 311 00:12:45,210 --> 00:12:43,300 believe that they can cure anything and 312 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:45,220 they've got some weird and wonderful 313 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:47,350 machine alive blood analysis machine 314 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:48,940 electrodermal all the 315 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:51,280 big words and they all flashing lights 316 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:54,370 to diagnose them and treat them and send 317 00:12:58,350 --> 00:12:56,470 them off and they're just 20 visits and 318 00:13:00,330 --> 00:12:58,360 they might be cured well there's 319 00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:00,340 interesting you should say that in my 320 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:01,600 talk tomorrow I'm going to be discussing 321 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:03,280 one of these wonderful devices used by 322 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:05,470 some naturopaths which is look 323 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:07,630 scientific looks computerized looks 324 00:13:13,650 --> 00:13:10,570 advanced and cutting-edge science but 325 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:13,660 still be a box of tricks but yeah that 326 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:16,030 they there are what's the word I'm 327 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:17,620 looking for they're really abusing 328 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:19,600 science aren't there they are now you'll 329 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,940 probably find that this boxer tricks may 330 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:23,680 be listed with the Therapeutic Goods 331 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:26,200 Administration now i SAT there with the 332 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:28,480 head of the national manager and I 333 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:31,240 showed him a bike on machine the 334 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:34,210 advertising and it made all claims that 335 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:37,510 it could cure everything right ADHD all 336 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:39,730 sorts of things and he said there's 337 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:42,160 nothing I can do because the sponsor 338 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:44,350 doesn't make those claims it's one of 339 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:47,110 the practitioners the TGA can only 340 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:49,930 target the sponsor which is why when the 341 00:13:54,990 --> 00:13:51,760 hem of you the life blood analysis 342 00:13:56,790 --> 00:13:55,000 machine came out they could target him 343 00:13:59,340 --> 00:13:56,800 of you the people this was ethical 344 00:14:02,340 --> 00:13:59,350 nutrients you know like blood analysis 345 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:02,350 came comes out of massive sponsor in 346 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:04,060 Brisbane that produces those sorts of 347 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:07,210 thing metagenics and the SS a part of 348 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:09,010 the ethical nutrients group health world 349 00:14:13,830 --> 00:14:11,470 proprietor limited and they could target 350 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:13,840 them to see clean up your act and go 351 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:17,410 right to your your suppliers and tell 352 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:18,760 them to remove their advertising all we 353 00:14:22,530 --> 00:14:20,410 can do is get rid of the advertising 354 00:14:24,690 --> 00:14:22,540 they can still do what they want in 355 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:24,700 their clinics but if you can get rid of 356 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:27,360 the advertising advertising works and 357 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:29,980 therefore if that's what we can do well 358 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:31,240 that's what we should be concentrating 359 00:14:36,090 --> 00:14:34,030 our efforts on we do what we can well 360 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:36,100 the people sort of proving their head 361 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:37,360 around the door I think we should go 362 00:14:40,809 --> 00:14:38,680 back into the meet and greet and meet 363 00:14:42,579 --> 00:14:40,819 and greets and people I think 364 00:14:44,739 --> 00:14:42,589 the Kiwis and their enthusiastic 365 00:14:46,689 --> 00:14:44,749 skeptics their absolute wonderful bunch 366 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:46,699 of people you certainly are but before 367 00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:48,289 we go where can people find out more 368 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:49,279 about the Friends of science and 369 00:14:54,789 --> 00:14:51,859 medicine well we're on Google I mean on 370 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:54,799 twitter on facebook and our website is 371 00:15:01,599 --> 00:14:59,600 wwan medicine or vu and they can contact 372 00:15:03,099 --> 00:15:01,609 me anytime they want but follow us on 373 00:15:05,169 --> 00:15:03,109 facebook and twitter that would be 374 00:15:25,749 --> 00:15:05,179 really good Thank You Loretta thank you 375 00:15:27,819 --> 00:15:25,759 Richard this December in California i'll 376 00:15:30,669 --> 00:15:27,829 be giving my talk strange energies and 377 00:15:33,909 --> 00:15:30,679 even stranger devices too good to be 378 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:33,919 true on the twenty-ninth and the 30th of 379 00:15:38,379 --> 00:15:36,470 december the torque on the twenty-ninth 380 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:38,389 december will be in berkeley and on the 381 00:15:43,779 --> 00:15:41,689 30th in irvine my hosts for berkeley 382 00:15:46,569 --> 00:15:43,789 event will be the Bay Area skeptics and 383 00:15:52,149 --> 00:15:46,579 my host in irvine will be the orange 384 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:52,159 county science club for more information 385 00:15:56,769 --> 00:15:54,049 and to book your seat see the show notes 386 00:16:00,609 --> 00:15:56,779 linked to this episode of the skeptic 387 00:16:15,909 --> 00:16:00,619 zone i'm looking forward to seeing you 388 00:16:19,570 --> 00:16:15,919 in california let's all take this with a 389 00:16:28,210 --> 00:16:19,580 grain of salt seas around second 390 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:28,220 oh okay so I'm in Manchester at QED you 391 00:16:33,550 --> 00:16:30,620 know that QT yet no no no it's friday 392 00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:33,560 i'm here with marsh hi mosh hello it's 393 00:16:36,670 --> 00:16:35,120 good to see you again it is very nice to 394 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:36,680 see you it's always nice to see to see 395 00:16:39,310 --> 00:16:38,210 you and anyone from the Australian 396 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:39,320 skeptics you know I've always had such a 397 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:40,910 good friendship with so many people 398 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:42,350 there but yeah love it you see in this 399 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:43,760 country are on and but you'll be 400 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:45,650 visiting us soon anyway I will be very 401 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:46,910 soon as that you'll absolutely love 402 00:16:51,580 --> 00:16:49,310 touchin that and second so it's Friday 403 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:51,590 skeptics skeptic amp is already going on 404 00:16:54,820 --> 00:16:53,750 but QD hasn't started so right can you 405 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:54,830 tell us a little bit about what's going 406 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:57,530 to happen this weekend I'm not sure what 407 00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,610 to be honest I think it's gonna be 408 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:00,560 really busy so we've got about I think 409 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,680 about 666 people actually here oddly 410 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,600 enough with about about what I think it 411 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:07,760 was 67 we realized somebody one can't 412 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:10,190 make it so we think we've got 666 which 413 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:12,100 is quite fun but it's also 600 people 414 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:14,690 660 people in a hotel that were in 415 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:16,850 charge of so yeah we've got a lot going 416 00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:18,200 on at once I think we've got five 417 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,180 different rooms all running at the same 418 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:22,400 time and podcasts and panels and main 419 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:25,130 stage talks and workshops and it's the 420 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:26,540 biggest cutie we've ever had and 421 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:28,430 probably the biggest kind of challenge 422 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:29,840 you've ever taken on to run the silvered 423 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:31,400 stuff at once but i'm excited i think it 424 00:17:34,750 --> 00:17:32,810 should be fun you know we're looking 425 00:17:36,550 --> 00:17:34,760 forward to every people seem to really 426 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:36,560 get more cuties now people seem to enjoy 427 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:38,210 it Evan comes and it's the big sore 428 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:39,650 point for the community to get together 429 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:42,110 and even what we notice is just just 430 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:44,270 walking in with boxes 50 people to stop 431 00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:45,230 us to say can I help you with something 432 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:46,880 can i grab something do you need a hand 433 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,350 with anything so yeah everybody just 434 00:17:51,850 --> 00:17:50,000 seems to get what cuny's about and 435 00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:51,860 filter to wanting a part of it and I 436 00:17:54,550 --> 00:17:53,180 think that's what we've always wanted to 437 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,560 go for and turn to the spirit of the 438 00:17:58,780 --> 00:17:56,960 event and the feel of the event and yeah 439 00:18:00,550 --> 00:17:58,790 people really seem to buy into it and 440 00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:00,560 hopefully that's going to show 441 00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:01,640 throughout the course of the weekend 442 00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:03,020 everyone's gonna have a really great 443 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:04,550 time hope yeah well there's definitely 444 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:06,830 always I mean it's my second QED and 445 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:08,210 there's very strong sense of community 446 00:18:11,530 --> 00:18:10,040 now this year you actually doing 447 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:11,540 something a little bit different to the 448 00:18:14,980 --> 00:18:14,000 way you've done it in past years yes 449 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:14,990 yeah we're doing a few different things 450 00:18:19,630 --> 00:18:17,270 so normally we have two rooms running at 451 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:19,640 once and this this year we've got five 452 00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:22,010 or even 50 at least five rooms running 453 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:23,630 at once why we've got the main stage 454 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:25,190 that we'd always have in a panel room 455 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:26,480 which is kind of always running parallel 456 00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:28,460 to give you some hard choices and then 457 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,780 we've got a podcast room with some 458 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:31,520 really quite big podcasts going on in 459 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:32,090 there so that 460 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:33,770 should be really fun they've got another 461 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:35,270 room with workshops where you can learn 462 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:36,890 magic on learn how to be investigate 463 00:18:40,419 --> 00:18:38,600 journalists from the experts in those 464 00:18:41,950 --> 00:18:40,429 areas and then we've got a film room 465 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:41,960 that we shun films the whole time and 466 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:43,850 we've got another room with a special 467 00:18:47,470 --> 00:18:46,220 optical illusion exhibition from Richard 468 00:18:50,649 --> 00:18:47,480 Wiseman that's gonna be open the whole 469 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:50,659 time so it's more I've always seen QD as 470 00:18:55,299 --> 00:18:52,850 a festival and this is the most festival 471 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:55,309 esque QED we've ever had where you walk 472 00:18:58,299 --> 00:18:56,690 around this whole building and 473 00:19:00,039 --> 00:18:58,309 everything in this building basically 474 00:19:01,570 --> 00:19:00,049 for weekend belongs to us and we're 475 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:01,580 trying to stuff as much skeptical 476 00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,289 content to do every little corner as we 477 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:05,840 can so a whole thing that people will 478 00:19:09,789 --> 00:19:07,850 enjoy just kind of the feel of walking 479 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:09,799 around and sort of getting into things 480 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:12,260 as they come across the movie okay well 481 00:19:16,539 --> 00:19:14,870 i think i'll let you go so the sort 482 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:16,549 things out because it's obviously a very 483 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:18,110 very busy time just before the weekend 484 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:19,130 and I'm sure I'll catch up with you 485 00:19:28,779 --> 00:19:20,720 throughout the weekend definitely do 486 00:19:31,659 --> 00:19:28,789 around definitely i'm here with marcin 487 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:31,669 Nick who are some of the organizers of 488 00:19:36,669 --> 00:19:34,730 QD actually caught up with Marsh well 489 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:36,679 friday morning this is the team on 490 00:19:42,510 --> 00:19:39,260 recognizing cuny okay i should point out 491 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:42,520 that first of all it's sunday after QD 492 00:19:48,909 --> 00:19:45,770 marsh didn't hadn't probably got a lot 493 00:19:50,649 --> 00:19:48,919 of sleep and he's maybe a bit maybe a 494 00:19:53,169 --> 00:19:50,659 bit of alcohol is involved as well you 495 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:53,179 talked me earlier iran and i'd like to 496 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,970 see how skeptics on listeners compared 497 00:19:59,560 --> 00:19:57,440 the earlier me which is they all 498 00:20:01,090 --> 00:19:59,570 pre-conference marshes thinking about 499 00:20:02,529 --> 00:20:01,100 things that are going to come up marsh 500 00:20:04,269 --> 00:20:02,539 is always thinking about all what we're 501 00:20:06,430 --> 00:20:04,279 should be next who's coming up next why 502 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:06,440 should we doing next this is me well god 503 00:20:11,019 --> 00:20:08,390 but nobody was green next I don't know 504 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,029 the next words out of my mouth is I have 505 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:14,000 no I sorry I should probably point out 506 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:17,360 that that is usually the case like the 507 00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:18,830 tempers are telling us not the case is 508 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:20,750 run running a QED and you made the 509 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,370 mistake of asking me when I was running 510 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:24,320 a few d at the various cards for an 511 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:26,360 initial interview over the Sun Friday 512 00:20:32,409 --> 00:20:29,390 you're on Friday morning yeah yeah so we 513 00:20:34,419 --> 00:20:32,419 me yeah so now that it's you know that 514 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,429 it's done you know you're the six it's 515 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:36,320 the sixth one right fun if I make before 516 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:38,090 before you actually tell me about your 517 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,320 perspective i just want to point out 518 00:20:43,779 --> 00:20:41,840 that completely as expected it was 519 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:43,789 brilliant mmm it was really great it was 520 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,580 the speakers were great 521 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:48,640 the entertainment on saturday Saturday 522 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:50,470 not the dinner that shame it was a great 523 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:51,730 listener yay what song is really 524 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:54,370 fantastic recording of skeptics with a k 525 00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,010 of a Cara Santa Maria was great the good 526 00:21:00,930 --> 00:20:59,200 thing about this year we've got so much 527 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:00,940 stuff going on we don't want anybody to 528 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:02,530 miss anything so we didn't want anybody 529 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,510 at the conference to miss get me through 530 00:21:08,550 --> 00:21:06,400 the case we thought the best thing to do 531 00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:08,560 is to play the recording of skeptics to 532 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:11,020 the K over some of the other speakers so 533 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,170 we double up on content is it innovative 534 00:21:18,420 --> 00:21:16,000 strategy no other conference in the 535 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:18,430 world is doing this any innovative 536 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:21,040 strategy so actually it once so i should 537 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:22,990 point out that is that is a reference to 538 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:25,930 the only tiny little glitch that happens 539 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:28,690 through an entire complex weekend with 540 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:30,760 multiple streams and lots of speakers in 541 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:34,960 6 160 66 attendees so that is brilliant 542 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:36,460 you're right around yo you're alluding 543 00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:37,810 to the only thing that's going to keep 544 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:40,830 me and a color up tonight terrified and 545 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:44,110 embarrassed and actually appalled at the 546 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:45,820 terrible terrible mistake that we've 547 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:47,320 made so thank you for bringing this up 548 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:49,510 during interview that's only broadcast 549 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:51,510 on the opposite side of the world 550 00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,770 absolutely fine it's fine but it's 551 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:55,120 actually okay because we have listened 552 00:21:58,170 --> 00:21:56,590 as all over the world so it's not it's 553 00:22:00,270 --> 00:21:58,180 not a seamstress yes someone gonna be 554 00:22:01,710 --> 00:22:00,280 nearby somebody nearby enough to come to 555 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,720 one of our other events so that's good 556 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:03,760 yours at the end but oh well no no the 557 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:05,110 thing is now you know it's about 558 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:06,730 expectation management as Richard 559 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:10,630 Wiseman would say very true so your 560 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,070 perspective on how do you feel about 561 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:15,760 that we can now and I'm not sure I'm 562 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:19,450 pretty tired I think it went really well 563 00:22:23,010 --> 00:22:20,950 I think there's a bit of nervousness at 564 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:23,020 first because it's the biggest QED 565 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:24,490 you've ever had the most attendees have 566 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,620 ever had we've had multiple tracks which 567 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:28,480 is a new thing and while we've all said 568 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:30,550 multiple tracks for additional tracks so 569 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:32,350 that's that's a new thing and there's 570 00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:34,120 always a bit of unease I'm wondering how 571 00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:35,200 it's going to go with people going to 572 00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:38,560 enjoy it people going to turn up and are 573 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:39,940 there going to be any problems but I 574 00:22:43,650 --> 00:22:42,130 think everything that I've seen and from 575 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:43,660 what people have said to me they've 576 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:46,290 enjoyed every bit of it and they've 577 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:49,060 really appreciated the additional 578 00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:50,350 content and it's just giving them 579 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:52,420 additional headaches in terms of you 580 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:53,950 know choices that they've had to make 581 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:56,260 about what to see and what to do so it 582 00:23:00,370 --> 00:22:58,220 seems like it's gone really well yeah 583 00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:00,380 the fascinating thing is that we thought 584 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:02,360 that we've run two tracks in the past 585 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:04,130 see in the main room in the panel room 586 00:23:08,649 --> 00:23:06,950 and has always been fairly good is that 587 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:08,659 people like oh I don't know what to see 588 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:10,610 I'm kind of torn between seeing this all 589 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:13,610 that and we thought when we add so many 590 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,190 more people we thought when we add so 591 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,320 many more tracks maybe there will be 592 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:20,720 more grumbling about like our wish I can 593 00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,650 see this this this this but having five 594 00:23:29,860 --> 00:23:27,679 tracks running at once weirdly it seems 595 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,870 that people have been more willing just 596 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:31,520 go with the thing that they really like 597 00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:34,580 and appreciate that so across the 598 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,870 weekend I mean up into many of the rooms 599 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:37,760 across we can stop buzzing around that 600 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:39,230 this has worked and this is started mrs. 601 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,090 odds I don't think I've seen any rooms 602 00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:44,240 that have been like less than full the 603 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:46,220 podcast resolved in full the panel rooms 604 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:49,130 are full though the workshop room was 605 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:50,840 always had plenty people in it as much 606 00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:53,030 we were expecting it's where did I 607 00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:54,500 because you've got so many people here 608 00:23:58,990 --> 00:23:56,929 because you've worked quite hard to get 609 00:24:01,630 --> 00:23:59,000 some interesting stuff in every room of 610 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:01,640 this building that we're in it's like 611 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:04,070 everybody has found their place to be 612 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,590 and nobody's thinking I wish I was 613 00:24:10,930 --> 00:24:08,240 somewhere else because every we've got 614 00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:10,940 in each room has worked said was like 615 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:12,980 yeah I there were lots of other options 616 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,809 like the where I could have been but I 617 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:17,600 chose the right option I think if even 618 00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,700 if people have felt like they'd seen 619 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:22,159 feedback on another talk or they think I 620 00:24:24,669 --> 00:24:23,390 would have really liked of seeing that 621 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:24,679 they don't they're not as you say 622 00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:27,890 they're not disappointed that they made 623 00:24:32,830 --> 00:24:30,799 a bad choice or no think that it's just 624 00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:32,840 that while there was so much great stuff 625 00:24:36,669 --> 00:24:34,549 and that just feeds into the overall 626 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:36,679 positivity of the event and you know 627 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:39,049 we're not averse to having any criticism 628 00:24:43,659 --> 00:24:41,750 of but genuinely you know we have had 629 00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:43,669 such great positive feedback people 630 00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:45,740 coming up to personally saying what a 631 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,900 great weekend it's been a lot of people 632 00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:49,760 have come for the first time there's a 633 00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:51,140 show of hands in the hall the end of the 634 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:52,580 day how many people have come for the 635 00:24:55,419 --> 00:24:54,110 first time and it was a significant 636 00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:55,429 proportion of the audience and that's 637 00:24:59,799 --> 00:24:57,860 amazing that you know every single year 638 00:25:03,490 --> 00:24:59,809 and more and more people are coming for 639 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:03,500 the first time and enjoying it so that's 640 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,330 quite it's really rewarding really when 641 00:25:10,539 --> 00:25:07,760 that happens the other the other 642 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:10,549 interesting thing is that it's not just 643 00:25:13,539 --> 00:25:11,720 that we haven't heard 644 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,549 anything from people saying oh this 645 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:15,440 didn't work but I didn't work we haven't 646 00:25:19,659 --> 00:25:17,510 heard anybody talking about someone else 647 00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:19,669 who said this didn't work that didn't 648 00:25:23,169 --> 00:25:21,950 work if I every body who's reporting 649 00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:23,179 what someone else said is like oh this 650 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:25,789 was fun this was a fun event and what 651 00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:28,510 we've always wanted from QD is that 652 00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:31,070 everybody who comes thinks this is the 653 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:34,520 event that I I want to part of anhui I 654 00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:36,710 want to contribute to or and make this 655 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:38,360 event the best it could possibly be 656 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:40,490 that's really what we always wanted a 657 00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:43,370 cutie and making it bigger has weirdly 658 00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:45,470 only made that more prominent that 659 00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:47,750 people thought I recognized this a 660 00:25:53,649 --> 00:25:50,900 bigger event I want to do what I can to 661 00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:53,659 make this event better and it seems like 662 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:56,150 the bigger we've gotten this year and we 663 00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:57,770 were three times bigger than we were in 664 00:26:01,810 --> 00:25:59,870 terms of the number of different events 665 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:01,820 or running at the same time people said 666 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:04,010 I want to do what I can to make this a 667 00:26:07,210 --> 00:26:05,690 more successful event and it's been 668 00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,220 refund I think one of the things that I 669 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:09,200 do is my role is I organized all the 670 00:26:14,169 --> 00:26:12,950 volunteers and I've had more volunteers 671 00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:14,179 to share them if I had before which is 672 00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:16,309 amazing and that's been quite hard in a 673 00:26:20,830 --> 00:26:18,200 way to juggle even more people who are 674 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:20,840 wanting to help out but we always try 675 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:22,070 and make sure that people you know 676 00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,260 especially first-time people that 677 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:25,520 they're only giving a short amount of 678 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,320 time because they've paid to come and 679 00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:30,320 you know that's the priority but I found 680 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,669 that a lot of people have you know 681 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:32,960 volunteers and their little dense 682 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:34,760 actually I sing them still wearing their 683 00:26:39,779 --> 00:26:36,380 t-shirts a no a nickel if you need extra 684 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:39,789 help here and they seem to get a really 685 00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:42,110 rewarding experience out volunteering 686 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:43,880 and being part of the event and I think 687 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:45,080 as well with the panel like you're 688 00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,250 saying with the panels and the workshops 689 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:48,559 people feel like actually if i come 690 00:26:53,950 --> 00:26:50,780 again I can contribute to this and it's 691 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:53,960 not just about what we decide to do or 692 00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:56,900 what we decided beyond it's about I can 693 00:27:00,700 --> 00:26:58,760 come to this and I can be part of it and 694 00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:00,710 that's a huge been huge part of the 695 00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:03,230 feedback we've had four people I feel 696 00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:05,900 there's it it really does provide people 697 00:27:12,370 --> 00:27:09,320 with a sense of ownership the last event 698 00:27:15,399 --> 00:27:12,380 we had in sydney 2014 that Marsha 699 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:15,409 tonight was / on occasion um we didn't 700 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:17,179 have volunteers because we didn't need 701 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:18,890 them because of this something just a 702 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:21,590 setup didn't worry but we had so many 703 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:24,530 offers over like so many people row two 704 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:24,860 hour 705 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:27,230 to contacted us asking to volunteer and 706 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:29,929 they were disappointed when we turned 707 00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:32,270 them down because I do think that's one 708 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:33,740 that's one of the things we discussed it 709 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:35,570 over dinner earlier that is something 710 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,010 about the skeptical movement about 711 00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:38,480 there's the sense of ownership in a 712 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:41,059 sense of common goal that means that 713 00:27:46,299 --> 00:27:43,010 when people come to an event like this 714 00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,309 they a lot of them a lot of the people 715 00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:48,559 who come do not come to simply sit there 716 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:52,040 and you know and just listen to talks 717 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:54,290 they come to be part of something and I 718 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:55,910 think you for helping out there also 719 00:28:00,039 --> 00:27:57,860 bang into that striving to make it the 720 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:00,049 best event that it can be hmm even if 721 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:01,190 they're just doing a very small thing 722 00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:03,049 they recognize that I can do something 723 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:04,790 here that'll make a difference even in 724 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:08,030 the smallest possible way oh my 725 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,070 community reactivity the message of it 726 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:11,840 and it genuinely does make a difference 727 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,440 and so we're really grateful for Oprah 728 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:18,320 that helps out and continues to do so I 729 00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:19,490 think I was talking to someone in the 730 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:22,220 bar area that I've not met before but 731 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:23,690 there's been several QE DS and they were 732 00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:25,250 asking about was a theme for the event 733 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,020 or you know the topics that we cover and 734 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:30,950 I said well there isn't and at all but 735 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:32,750 they noticed that there wasn't there was 736 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:34,850 there wasn't any sort like religious 737 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:36,650 base of discussions this year where is 738 00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,910 the have been in the prison you know I 739 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:39,200 think there wasn't there's never any 740 00:28:44,409 --> 00:28:41,510 specific theme that's never any and you 741 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:44,419 know created content in that regard it's 742 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:46,400 what who we think will be good and who's 743 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:48,230 different who who haven't we had who 744 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:50,270 would our audience like to see who's a 745 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:52,010 might've heard of but we think would be 746 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:55,390 would be good and we were saying that 747 00:29:01,870 --> 00:28:58,130 obviously 2016's been a pretty horrific 748 00:29:04,030 --> 00:29:01,880 year so far around the world and you 749 00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,040 know there's been a few discussions 750 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:06,320 about the idea of you know post facts 751 00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:07,940 what do we do in this society where 752 00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:10,820 people are turning away from experts and 753 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:15,620 not wanting to and listen and that's 754 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:17,570 we've not tried to be overly political 755 00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:19,970 in that but it has been discussion and 756 00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:22,340 how a few speakers talking about how to 757 00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:23,720 make the world a better place and 758 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:25,429 obviously that's plant pulses gets them 759 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:27,010 anyway you know in terms of whether your 760 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:29,750 ass like campaigns and public awareness 761 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,450 of things but that has been a nun 762 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:34,640 deliberate theme of a few of the 763 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,530 speakers and the panel's how can we 764 00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:38,450 actually make the world a better place 765 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:39,950 what can we do that will actually make a 766 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:42,470 difference even if it's in a small way 767 00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:44,600 but we've got a room full of 600 people 768 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,940 here we could do something collectively 769 00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,760 I think that's it that's it and also the 770 00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:51,440 fact that people no longer care about 771 00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:53,960 people with any expertise is why we've 772 00:29:58,930 --> 00:29:55,880 had the first-ever schedule for the K 773 00:30:00,700 --> 00:29:58,940 live no longer listed angry we don't 774 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:00,710 look at care about expertise now is the 775 00:30:05,710 --> 00:30:02,810 right time to have scheduled to the K 776 00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:05,720 live I QED when expertise is no longer a 777 00:30:09,970 --> 00:30:08,420 concern you know we've we've been joined 778 00:30:12,370 --> 00:30:09,980 by Jeff there's also one of the 779 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:12,380 organizer cutie hello Joe hi I'm 780 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:14,660 expecting to contribute what I was just 781 00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:16,310 sitting here hoping to get people to 782 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:20,420 love what they are I think that the bars 783 00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:23,630 doing fine that's a maybe probably yes 784 00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:25,880 so how do you feel about you know it's 785 00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:27,920 Sunday night I've you know the hard work 786 00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:31,790 or and cute how do I feel nakid mmm 787 00:30:38,770 --> 00:30:35,480 Holly violin a tell me about it no I I 788 00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:38,780 feel absolutely not just knocked elated 789 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:42,980 I think this year we have absolutely 790 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:46,450 pulled off somehow rabbit out the Hat 791 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:52,730 the best QED ever so for people who are 792 00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,850 thinking of organizing conferences 793 00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:56,720 skeptical conferences in the world 794 00:31:01,570 --> 00:30:59,570 obviously to get to where QED is is not 795 00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:01,580 something that happens overnight then it 796 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:02,870 takes several years and all that but 797 00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:04,370 what would you what would you advise me 798 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:07,640 be prepared to sweat blood with that 799 00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:10,370 shadow down that be prepare to put in 800 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:14,540 the time I can absolutely guarantee you 801 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:17,510 that all of the organizers of QED and 802 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:20,750 there are six of us put in hours and 803 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:23,450 hours and hours and I'm prepared to say 804 00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:26,810 I only put in massive amounts of hours 805 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:30,950 everybody else put in far far far far 806 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:32,990 more if you can see what you're trying 807 00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:35,810 to do don't cut any corners and that's 808 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:38,540 been the key DQed is that we try and do 809 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:40,460 everything we can the best that we can 810 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:43,130 and you know we are volunteers you know 811 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:45,110 none of us put on cutie for a living 812 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:47,510 none of us have event management for a 813 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,190 living but we have different types of 814 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:51,140 skills here and there and use the skills 815 00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:51,890 that are around 816 00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:53,960 but yeah just trying to make this the 817 00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:55,790 best event that you can and think about 818 00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,710 when we're putting on what all these 819 00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:00,080 different panels and podcasts and kind 820 00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:01,670 of main stage speakers we're trying to 821 00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:04,760 think about what is it that that we do 822 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:07,160 as a community I think the shortest 823 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:08,600 answer to your original question around 824 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:11,030 was what do people what like people need 825 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,400 if they want to put on a QED similar 826 00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:14,960 type of man is they need to find a mic 827 00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:17,390 hole that is a short answer because his 828 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:20,270 bar is so incredibly hard yes yes 829 00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:22,970 brushes as all to do the best that we 830 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:26,060 possibly can and make sure that working 831 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:28,130 you know were on our toes and thinking 832 00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:30,170 at every single step about what we need 833 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:32,990 to do to make the conference work and 834 00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:34,940 for people to not even have to think 835 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:36,980 about what work has gone into doing it 836 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:38,920 they can just sit back and enjoy it and 837 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:41,570 so yes so you need to find a mic hole if 838 00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:43,310 there is another one should exist in the 839 00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:45,320 world some okay so it all has never cut 840 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,380 a corner in his life so what would I 841 00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:50,330 think the basically what we're the 842 00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:54,260 summary is we just need to all support 843 00:33:00,430 --> 00:32:58,580 the science of of cloning yeah yes and 844 00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:00,440 that what will you know for the 845 00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:02,150 skeptical movement supports cloning then 846 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:03,830 we will end up with better conferences 847 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:06,230 Oh God but if the solution this problem 848 00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:08,030 is to clone my whole this is not a 849 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:10,040 problem those every we've got a larger 850 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,650 problem with you again yeah the solution 851 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:15,200 to any problem should never be cloning 852 00:33:21,310 --> 00:33:19,430 my oh I suspect asleep it is the answer 853 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:21,320 to a problem being my curbing clone my 854 00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:23,750 call is only the set up to a larger 855 00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:26,120 problem that we have to address later in 856 00:33:31,870 --> 00:33:28,820 our lives and with that I think really 857 00:33:33,670 --> 00:33:31,880 thank you very much and thank you for a 858 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:33,680 great conference in for hosting me and 859 00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:36,050 and we'll see you hopefully next year 860 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:37,940 absolutely thank you actually i will see 861 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:40,130 you i will see you I'll see you in a few 862 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:42,650 weeks and you will be staying with me so 863 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:45,110 we'll get to hang out and get I wanna 864 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:47,030 thank you to Richie for editing this in 865 00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:47,960 just something you can actually 866 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:51,200 broadcast I actually make thanks sir if 867 00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:53,000 I actually think Richard would easily 868 00:33:59,170 --> 00:33:57,350 get three minutes oh we love you Richard 869 00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:59,180 and we wish you were here and I'm so 870 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:00,390 sorry for marsh 871 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,850 do you think ink and you'll pass 872 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:18,320 thinking the people who brought you dr. 873 00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:22,310 Neil deGrasse Tyson James Randi dr. Ben 874 00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:26,540 Goldacre dr. 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00:36:02,809 --> 00:35:59,990 the first one I can remember 903 00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:02,819 mega-santa racing he's in a real hurry 904 00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:04,230 today because you've got to got to get a 905 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:07,020 lot covered I love Christmas Day because 906 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:09,569 I usually spend it completely on my own 907 00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:12,089 the world is completely silent except 908 00:36:19,279 --> 00:36:17,959 listen to that bus doing its bit of a 909 00:36:21,259 --> 00:36:19,289 Doppler there with the sound are 910 00:36:22,789 --> 00:36:21,269 fantastic because the buses in this area 911 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:22,799 of the world we are travel at a 912 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,170 regulation 120 kilometers an hour I 913 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:27,420 think they do we're actually recording 914 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,849 this message a couple of weeks ago at 915 00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,680 madame frou frou on Glee point road 916 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:33,599 which is our favorite cafe it is indeed 917 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,430 we do a lot of it at the home of bunga 918 00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,380 bunga and the temporary home of other 919 00:36:41,509 --> 00:36:39,660 skeptics own podcast all that sort of 920 00:36:43,489 --> 00:36:41,519 stuff but the big thing is on Christmas 921 00:36:46,249 --> 00:36:43,499 Day spend it on your own it's great 922 00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,259 because it's silent the entire world is 923 00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:48,359 doing something else and people will 924 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:50,190 leave you alone it's it's the one day 925 00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:52,170 that people will leave you alone if you 926 00:36:55,729 --> 00:36:53,579 can get yourself on your own people go 927 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,739 it's so sad you spend Christmas Day no 928 00:36:59,539 --> 00:36:57,359 it's great to spend Christmas down your 929 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,549 own because you can guaranteed not be 930 00:37:02,749 --> 00:37:01,440 interrupted and of course you can always 931 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,759 watch your favorite Christmas movies and 932 00:37:07,489 --> 00:37:04,440 of course everything the most beautiful 933 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:07,499 Christmas movie that I say said really 934 00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:09,569 it to me it means everything about 935 00:37:15,289 --> 00:37:13,140 Christmas that's die hard to the one in 936 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:15,299 the airport it's a Christmas movie oh 937 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:17,640 sweet people actually do that they make 938 00:37:21,769 --> 00:37:19,890 sure they watched I had a Christmas time 939 00:37:23,689 --> 00:37:21,779 that's amazing what a tradition that is 940 00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:23,699 I have mine and I had to both great 941 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:25,949 Christmas movies now both Greek what 942 00:37:29,569 --> 00:37:27,089 other Christmas movies would you 943 00:37:31,759 --> 00:37:29,579 recommend our listeners watch jingle all 944 00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:31,769 the way the arm sports and a Christmas 945 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:34,920 movie can't go past that right we have 946 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:36,390 to wait until New Year's Eve or can't 947 00:37:41,689 --> 00:37:38,849 stop the music right that's right it's a 948 00:37:43,189 --> 00:37:41,699 ritual in Australia and I do have its 949 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:43,199 repeated this year ever since the 950 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:45,569 Village People film not the Village 951 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:47,910 People right it's village people there 952 00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,650 people from the village not the Village 953 00:37:52,969 --> 00:37:51,660 People big difference people i think 954 00:37:54,739 --> 00:37:52,979 their collective now instead of a 955 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,749 something or pronoun or something right 956 00:37:57,769 --> 00:37:56,400 into richie to love do the Leigh loves 957 00:38:01,249 --> 00:37:57,779 the grammar when you're riding with that 958 00:38:02,779 --> 00:38:01,259 oh yeah and yet can't stop the music and 959 00:38:04,579 --> 00:38:02,789 it's not you can't stop the music that's 960 00:38:06,049 --> 00:38:04,589 the song there's a lot of grammar things 961 00:38:08,029 --> 00:38:06,059 there's a lot of grammar fo powers you 962 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:08,039 can make with village people can't stop 963 00:38:12,319 --> 00:38:10,170 the music is what it is and it's on on 964 00:38:13,999 --> 00:38:12,329 New Year's Eve every single year since 965 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:14,009 it's become available for television on 966 00:38:17,449 --> 00:38:15,900 channel 9 in Australia sometimes they 967 00:38:18,529 --> 00:38:17,459 put it on early sometimes they put 968 00:38:21,259 --> 00:38:18,539 around three in the morning but it's 969 00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,269 always on New Year's Eve and since I've 970 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:23,910 you know I worked every New Year's Eve 971 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:25,530 from 16 through 972 00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:28,410 my 40s and and now since null wants me 973 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,880 to work anywhere on New Year's Eve walk 974 00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,440 or anywhere else for that matter I can 975 00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,060 actually go home and watch it and it's 976 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,460 kind of a bit all weird ritual in a life 977 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:37,440 of mine that's full of weird rituals New 978 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:38,970 Year's Eve just being one of them but 979 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:40,590 she really do you want to be out on New 980 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:42,930 Year's Eve or as me and most people go 981 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:45,900 clubbing call it amer tonight well in 982 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,430 Sydney you want to be home because of 983 00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:49,440 the traffic is just is just ridiculous 984 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,750 mmm just ridiculous yeah I'm people the 985 00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:53,760 big blue pizzelles bar you don't even 986 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:55,320 hear that unless you got one in your 987 00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:57,690 house and that's all right so what was 988 00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:01,140 2017 shaping up like for me not I look 989 00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:05,520 more unemployment structure stretching 990 00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,120 to pay the rent petitioning the 991 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:11,160 government to defund the ABC those are 992 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:12,330 the things I've got really planned 993 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,650 really apart from that nothing much else 994 00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:16,380 but at least at least as the months go 995 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:18,390 by you can keep up with your main our 996 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:22,050 calendar that's right as 2017 rolls on 997 00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,170 you will be reminded every month of the 998 00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:27,300 ludicrousness of my life with the 999 00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:31,020 Maynard pictorial 2017 calendar even in 1000 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:32,910 February's actually got some photos of 1001 00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:34,080 what I look like when I'm going out on 1002 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:36,600 date it does now listen is of course 1003 00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:39,810 they can get an early download of the 1004 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:42,030 calendar right now in fact if they 1005 00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,460 support Maynard's podcasts that's right 1006 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:46,320 become a patreon supporter of Planet 1007 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,180 Maynard for as little as a dollar or two 1008 00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,920 a month you can start at that level you 1009 00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:51,780 can go right up to like buy me and Mazda 1010 00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,580 but of course you can start at the one 1011 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:55,320 or two dollar level there and that is 1012 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:57,330 the main income i get from the whole 1013 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,530 thing which is why you don't see me 1014 00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:00,180 doing much because basically i can only 1015 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:01,830 afford public transport and you know i 1016 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:03,390 usually keep myself covered but i'm 1017 00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:06,090 doing that you do and you can go to 1018 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:09,870 patreon.com/scishow on there and you 1019 00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,610 know just give a little bit and once a 1020 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:13,440 month once a month will be deducted from 1021 00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:15,270 your credit card and let's face it 1022 00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:16,860 there's a lot of other stuff coming out 1023 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:18,140 of your credit card because if I know 1024 00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:20,610 skeptic zone listeners they're doing 1025 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,990 stuff they don't want you know their 1026 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:23,400 partner to see on the credit card bill 1027 00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:24,690 at the end of the month you know what 1028 00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:25,980 I'm saying people you know what I'm 1029 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:28,200 saying yeah that's absolutely right and 1030 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:29,910 of course no word nobody will bat her 1031 00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:31,530 knife they just see a little may not on 1032 00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:33,150 the credit card will they all that well 1033 00:40:35,859 --> 00:40:35,190 maybe they'll think evil thoughts I 1034 00:40:38,049 --> 00:40:35,869 don't know 1035 00:40:40,779 --> 00:40:38,059 that I think it just comes up as patreon 1036 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:40,789 ah I don't yes you see ya so could be 1037 00:40:45,759 --> 00:40:42,230 anything you could say oh no I'm 1038 00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:45,769 actually it's a I'm funding Richard 1039 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,589 Dawkins next offensive twitter tweet you 1040 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:50,240 could say that's what you can do you do 1041 00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:51,890 celebrity impersonations of Richard 1042 00:40:58,450 --> 00:40:54,470 Dawkins I'm owners in this whole twitter 1043 00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,460 thing is great give me a scotch but 1044 00:41:01,630 --> 00:40:59,839 that's amazing I thought that was 1045 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:01,640 Richard Dawkins they did it sounded just 1046 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:03,130 like him 1047 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:07,210 oh yeah that just get this one I love 1048 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:08,740 watching can't stop the music on New 1049 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:11,310 Year's Eve Richard Dawkins amazing 1050 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:13,810 honestly I would swore that I he does 1051 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:15,910 like actually I happen to know Richard 1052 00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:17,650 Dawkins that's like watching gun stop 1053 00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:20,350 the music it's very true and of course 1054 00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:21,640 we've got news they've coming on like we 1055 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:23,620 said and you're blasting into the air 1056 00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:24,940 you actually gonna be overseas you're 1057 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,620 going to be doing a skeptics in the pub 1058 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:29,680 in California hey yeah that's right I in 1059 00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:31,630 a couple of days I'll be speaking on the 1060 00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:34,420 29th in berkeley and on the 30th down in 1061 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:37,270 the orange county with the orange county 1062 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,880 science club and in berkeley it's the 1063 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:42,160 Bay Area skeptics so I'm in a couple of 1064 00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:43,960 days if you're in California I hope to 1065 00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:45,940 see you and I believe they do a lot of 1066 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:49,660 research there in that Club mainly into 1067 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:51,610 what to mix into drinks though they were 1068 00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:54,490 the first people to ever put the idea 1069 00:42:02,190 --> 00:41:57,700 into anyone's head of having vodka and 1070 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:02,200 clamato juice and what club I'll come on 1071 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,120 there are people people Clamato juice 1072 00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:06,940 you've obviously had that Aniyah no no I 1073 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:08,740 think it's an ocean spray product uh 1074 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:11,740 it's it's smells like a disease it's a 1075 00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:14,100 smoosh it's basically tomato juice and 1076 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:16,660 clam juice together so it's got a bit of 1077 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:19,210 it yeah exactly with vodka Clamato oh 1078 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:20,830 really you should know about that I'll 1079 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:22,090 ask the people at the orange county 1080 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:24,550 science club it's a it's hard to get in 1081 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:25,990 Australia but only in America would you 1082 00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:27,010 get that because i don't think anyone 1083 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:29,500 out outside that really wants an oyster 1084 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:32,290 tomato kind of taste I don't know what 1085 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:34,270 to say to that I hope it's Christmas it 1086 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:35,980 doesn't matter have yourself oh what a 1087 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,430 cut Clamato oh he's gotta run downstairs 1088 00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:41,920 and you can get above the vodka get a 1089 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:43,480 bottle of Clamato and see what happens 1090 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:45,370 well as we record there's a couple of 1091 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:46,930 weeks ago we're actually sitting in glee 1092 00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:48,610 point road here in Sydney and it's a hot 1093 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:49,840 day in fact this is going to be some 1094 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,510 sort of record hot temperature day today 1095 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:55,200 but in reality i'm actually sitting in 1096 00:43:00,300 --> 00:42:57,970 California near San Francisco and being 1097 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:00,310 nice and chilly cold if you listen to 1098 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:02,170 the skeptic zone and going on geo you 1099 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:05,410 know I've sent the kids home on public 1100 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:07,090 transport and I'm alone on Christmas Day 1101 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:09,130 why don't you have a listen to a very 1102 00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:11,080 Maynard Christmas we've got eight 1103 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:13,270 specials eight one hour specials they're 1104 00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:15,460 featuring some of the best Christmas 1105 00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:16,790 music that no one 1106 00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:18,860 ever heard and maybe it's not the best 1107 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:20,900 Christmas music and that's why you've 1108 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:22,250 never heard it but it's all that Maynard 1109 00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:24,350 calm that I you including a new one I've 1110 00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:26,300 done this year with Tim Ferguson looking 1111 00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,670 at 2016 the year that a lot of people 1112 00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:30,200 are considering was a little bit evil 1113 00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:32,030 but look every year I have is a bit of a 1114 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:33,500 bummer so for me it's just a bummer for 1115 00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:35,450 everyone else again this year you know 1116 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:38,120 music I'd like to forget 2016 is a year 1117 00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:39,620 i'd like to forget i think well 1118 00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:41,180 America's which shouldn't thank you for 1119 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:42,380 all your support this year look the 1120 00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:43,940 people he puts a lot of work into this 1121 00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:45,470 show so you should at least pay back a 1122 00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:47,660 bit of what he's given in there Saunders 1123 00:44:02,840 --> 00:43:49,310 is given and you should give it to 1124 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:06,150 it never ends a friend starts talking 1125 00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:08,320 about his new Reiki Master and someone 1126 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:09,940 else just posted about another 1127 00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:12,670 all-natural cancer cure that they don't 1128 00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:15,160 want you to know about as skeptics we 1129 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:17,380 dedicate a lot of time trying to protect 1130 00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:19,510 those around us but there's a way that 1131 00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,700 you can reach millions guerrilla 1132 00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:24,160 skepticism on Wikipedia is a group that 1133 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:26,200 is working to keep the best skeptical 1134 00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:28,660 information at everyone's fingertips in 1135 00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,750 all languages join us training is 1136 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:34,480 self-paced and fun and we have our very 1137 00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:37,210 own super secret Facebook group you will 1138 00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:39,700 be educating the world in your sleep to 1139 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:44,020 find out more email us at GS o w team @ 1140 00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:48,070 gmail.com guerrilla skepticism the time 1141 00:45:05,090 --> 00:44:52,900 is now music by bin sound calm 1142 00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:07,680 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1143 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:11,430 zone on or near or just after Christmas 1144 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:14,410 2016 this is the last episode of the 1145 00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:18,430 skeptic zone 4 2016 and a couple of 1146 00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:22,420 weeks ago I read out the predictions 1147 00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:25,240 made by Australia's top psychics for 1148 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:27,100 this year made at the end of last year 1149 00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:32,370 and as this year grinds on still and 1150 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:35,470 ridiculous things happen and them yes 1151 00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:36,910 we've lost a lot of celebrities and 1152 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:38,590 Carrie Fisher had a heart attack the 1153 00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:39,850 other day and I don't know what else is 1154 00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:42,600 going on it reminds us all once again 1155 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:45,430 once again that people who claim that 1156 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:47,290 they can look into the future psychics 1157 00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:53,430 mystics and so on can't or should i say 1158 00:45:59,490 --> 00:45:56,740 more correctly there is no good evidence 1159 00:46:01,080 --> 00:45:59,500 to suggest that they can live up to 1160 00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:01,090 these claims that they can look into the 1161 00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:04,120 future and give their predictions when 1162 00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:06,340 we mark their homework again and again 1163 00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:09,790 and again they fail now i'll keep my eye 1164 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:11,740 out because this time of the year is 1165 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:15,070 when they the the media probably all 1166 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:17,530 around the world tried out psychics and 1167 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:20,740 seers and mediums to ask them what's 1168 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,570 coming up what they foresee for 1169 00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:24,960 celebrities usually in the coming year 1170 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:27,790 so keep an eye out for that everybody i 1171 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:30,370 don't think i don't think they'll be 1172 00:46:34,770 --> 00:46:32,290 telling us anything too valuable or 1173 00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:34,780 insightful well with that thought 1174 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:37,150 running around my head for this week and 1175 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:43,570 for this year 2016 goodbye should I say 1176 00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:46,120 good riddance personally there was a 1177 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:49,360 pretty rotten year for me when earlier 1178 00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:51,910 in the year we lost Fred the skeptics 1179 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:54,820 own cat and my own mother died earlier 1180 00:47:03,870 --> 00:46:59,920 this year so yeah 2016 goodbye and good 1181 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:03,880 riddance but until next week 2017 which 1182 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:05,530 I'm sure will be a lot better for 1183 00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:07,570 everybody this is Richard Saunders 1184 00:47:14,359 --> 00:47:09,700 signing off from the Bay Area San 1185 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:16,800 you've been listening to the skeptics 1186 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:20,560 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 1187 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:23,500 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 1188 00:47:29,609 --> 00:47:26,920 of all episodes since 2008 and our 1189 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:29,619 online store please support the skeptic 1190 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